i might not agree with the direction the president is taking, but i got to pay my federal taxes or the irs will come after me. so the idea that you get all the benefits of the union membership and you don't have to pay your dues, and the union has to earn the support is a bunch of nonsense. the majority in those shops have spoken. 51% have wanted a union, and if you don't like it, you can take your business elsewhere. we're only 17% union. i agree with the governor, though. it's both a shot in the gut and a call to action. >> right. >> and i believe, you know what? sometimes it takes both. sometimes it takes a slap in the face, a shot in the gut, a kick in the shins to get people motivated. we are motivated and fired up. >> the big picture here, governor, is they're after the rust belt. >> they are. >> if they can break the backs of the unions and their infrastructure of funding and pass laws to make it so people don't have to pay dues, this, of course, is going to break the backs of the democrats in those state. or is that a bridge too far? >> well, i don't think it's a bridge too far. ed, this michigan governor is intellectually dishonest. he is not speaking the truth.